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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steph - great point, this is where I found my great grandfather&#039;s intent of naturalization and his draft signup details.  

@Rosemarie - you are FAR better off trying to work with the county clerk, librarian and any other record keepers in your local jurisdiction (or the jurisdiction where your ancestors lived) than dealing with any of the Federal offices.  In my case, my grandfather (from other side of the family) lives in the county where my GGF lived.  He went to the county clerk I believe and they helped him dig out the info needed.  In my case, the SF consulate was willing to take those documents (properly certified of course) as enough data.

On the spelling thing, I didn&#039;t have any issues with the fact that my GGF was born Prospero but lived his life as Dante (and was buried with that on his tombstone in Italy).  What&#039;s important is to get enough of the dates and names to line up so you can prove they are the same people.  You&#039;re effectively telling a story.  I was able to show my GGF going through Ellis Island under his original name and then one name on the draft card and the other name on my GFs birth certificate but they all had the same date of birth and hometown on it.  When a reasonable person looks at it, it&#039;s obvious it&#039;s the same person.  

I&#039;ve heard stories on the east coast that they are much more demanding but that was my experience in SF.

The apostille comes from the state where each document originates.  In my case, my mother was born in Colorado so first I requested it via fax, received it, and then immediately mailed it off to the Secretary of State of Colorado to get the apostille.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steph &#8211; great point, this is where I found my great grandfather&#8217;s intent of naturalization and his draft signup details.  </p>
<p>@Rosemarie &#8211; you are FAR better off trying to work with the county clerk, librarian and any other record keepers in your local jurisdiction (or the jurisdiction where your ancestors lived) than dealing with any of the Federal offices.  In my case, my grandfather (from other side of the family) lives in the county where my GGF lived.  He went to the county clerk I believe and they helped him dig out the info needed.  In my case, the SF consulate was willing to take those documents (properly certified of course) as enough data.</p>
<p>On the spelling thing, I didn&#8217;t have any issues with the fact that my GGF was born Prospero but lived his life as Dante (and was buried with that on his tombstone in Italy).  What&#8217;s important is to get enough of the dates and names to line up so you can prove they are the same people.  You&#8217;re effectively telling a story.  I was able to show my GGF going through Ellis Island under his original name and then one name on the draft card and the other name on my GFs birth certificate but they all had the same date of birth and hometown on it.  When a reasonable person looks at it, it&#8217;s obvious it&#8217;s the same person.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard stories on the east coast that they are much more demanding but that was my experience in SF.</p>
<p>The apostille comes from the state where each document originates.  In my case, my mother was born in Colorado so first I requested it via fax, received it, and then immediately mailed it off to the Secretary of State of Colorado to get the apostille.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemarie Irish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemarie Irish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steph, Thank you for your reply. Are you saying that you actually found the naturalization document on the website or that you found the address/phone number on the site and contacted them to obtain it? Also, the apostille(s) required for each document, do you have to go to the Secy of State where each document  originated to get the apostille? I am getting documents from at least 4 states. Your help is so appreciated. Rosemarie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph, Thank you for your reply. Are you saying that you actually found the naturalization document on the website or that you found the address/phone number on the site and contacted them to obtain it? Also, the apostille(s) required for each document, do you have to go to the Secy of State where each document  originated to get the apostille? I am getting documents from at least 4 states. Your help is so appreciated. Rosemarie</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is reply/suggestion to Rosemarie.  

I found my Grandfather&#039;s naturalization documents on the wedsite of the Clerk of Courts for his county.  I was able to obtain a certified copy through a library in that county that works in partership with the Court for archival/old documents.  I was able to print my own copy, and it took about a week to get a certified copy from the county.  It&#039;s probably worth trying that route - it sounds a whole lot faster than what you&#039;re going through.

Steph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is reply/suggestion to Rosemarie.  </p>
<p>I found my Grandfather&#8217;s naturalization documents on the wedsite of the Clerk of Courts for his county.  I was able to obtain a certified copy through a library in that county that works in partership with the Court for archival/old documents.  I was able to print my own copy, and it took about a week to get a certified copy from the county.  It&#8217;s probably worth trying that route &#8211; it sounds a whole lot faster than what you&#8217;re going through.</p>
<p>Steph</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m pretty much at the end of the document gathering phase.  Today I submitted my &quot;request for appointment&quot; to the SF Consulate and got back an auto-reply - 2 year wait for an appointment for application by decent!!!  I&#039;m so discouraged, especially after all these months of gathering documents, making phone calls, trying to find supporting documents to cross-reference documents that didn&#039;t look quite right, etc.  My parents live in So Cal and will be contacting the LA Consulate this week - it will be interesting to see when their appointment is.

Thank you so much for this blog - it helped immensely!  I learned some very interesting things about the family, a few that no one else knows - not sure whether I should tell them...  The last document slipped into place today when my Grandfather&#039;s birth certificate arrived from Italy!  I sent eveything out to Gabriella to translate, thank you for posting her contact info, and the originals have been sent to the various states for apostilles.   Given how bad handwriting was back then I&#039;ve found several spellings of Pellegrino, and sometime along the way my Grandmother&#039;s family changed their name from Gambone to Gamble, and I&#039;ve come across multiple versions of each.  Hopefully the application doesn&#039;t get bounced for that, especially after waiting 2 YEARS to present it.  My Dad is 75 and is so very excited about claiming his citizenship - I want this more for him than any of us!  I was just hoping to get it before our trip next fall.l..

Anyway, thank you again for sharing your &quot;journey&quot;, and now that I&#039;ve been down this road myself, what a &quot;journey&quot; it&#039;s been!

Steph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m pretty much at the end of the document gathering phase.  Today I submitted my &#8220;request for appointment&#8221; to the SF Consulate and got back an auto-reply &#8211; 2 year wait for an appointment for application by decent!!!  I&#8217;m so discouraged, especially after all these months of gathering documents, making phone calls, trying to find supporting documents to cross-reference documents that didn&#8217;t look quite right, etc.  My parents live in So Cal and will be contacting the LA Consulate this week &#8211; it will be interesting to see when their appointment is.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for this blog &#8211; it helped immensely!  I learned some very interesting things about the family, a few that no one else knows &#8211; not sure whether I should tell them&#8230;  The last document slipped into place today when my Grandfather&#8217;s birth certificate arrived from Italy!  I sent eveything out to Gabriella to translate, thank you for posting her contact info, and the originals have been sent to the various states for apostilles.   Given how bad handwriting was back then I&#8217;ve found several spellings of Pellegrino, and sometime along the way my Grandmother&#8217;s family changed their name from Gambone to Gamble, and I&#8217;ve come across multiple versions of each.  Hopefully the application doesn&#8217;t get bounced for that, especially after waiting 2 YEARS to present it.  My Dad is 75 and is so very excited about claiming his citizenship &#8211; I want this more for him than any of us!  I was just hoping to get it before our trip next fall.l..</p>
<p>Anyway, thank you again for sharing your &#8220;journey&#8221;, and now that I&#8217;ve been down this road myself, what a &#8220;journey&#8221; it&#8217;s been!</p>
<p>Steph</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes my Cert. of Recognition should be here this month I was told. I watch the mail CLOSELY! 

I hope it goes well for your brother. I try to tell people to enjoy the process because &quot;the process&quot; is MOST of the journey. I also say, when I stepped out of the Consulate &amp; took a breath of crisp S.F. air my eyes filled with tears and a RUSH of emotion that was overwhelming &amp; gratifying. So much so, I could care less about the $52.00 street cleaning ticket on my car :)! 
People who go through this do it for a reason &amp; typically GET THIS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes my Cert. of Recognition should be here this month I was told. I watch the mail CLOSELY! </p>
<p>I hope it goes well for your brother. I try to tell people to enjoy the process because &#8220;the process&#8221; is MOST of the journey. I also say, when I stepped out of the Consulate &amp; took a breath of crisp S.F. air my eyes filled with tears and a RUSH of emotion that was overwhelming &amp; gratifying. So much so, I could care less about the $52.00 street cleaning ticket on my car <img src='http://www.ghidinelli.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> !<br />
People who go through this do it for a reason &amp; typically GET THIS!</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats @Maria - I assume what you mean is that your application was accepted as correct and valid at your first appointment, and then they processed it and sent it off to Italy?

My brother, who was unable to apply with us because he lived in Florida, has an appointment sometime next year (about 14 months out).  Hopefully the extra help will cut that time down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats @Maria &#8211; I assume what you mean is that your application was accepted as correct and valid at your first appointment, and then they processed it and sent it off to Italy?</p>
<p>My brother, who was unable to apply with us because he lived in Florida, has an appointment sometime next year (about 14 months out).  Hopefully the extra help will cut that time down!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you will be happy to know my appt. went VERY WELL! :)! With one appt. I was granted my citizenship. Now, I am assisting others with there citizenship via (blood line) Jure Sanguinis. I wrote here as I was nervous about what to expect on my appt. and I learned a lot there. It seems as if the Consulate was back logged for awhile but are getting caught up. However, someone I am assisting is not able to get an appt. until sometime into 2011 at this point. As for your FOIA requests, I am not sure what you are looking for, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you will be happy to know my appt. went VERY WELL! <img src='http://www.ghidinelli.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ! With one appt. I was granted my citizenship. Now, I am assisting others with there citizenship via (blood line) Jure Sanguinis. I wrote here as I was nervous about what to expect on my appt. and I learned a lot there. It seems as if the Consulate was back logged for awhile but are getting caught up. However, someone I am assisting is not able to get an appt. until sometime into 2011 at this point. As for your FOIA requests, I am not sure what you are looking for, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemarie Irish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemarie Irish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Brian, I will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Brian, I will.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rosemarie - sorry, I don&#039;t know much about FOIA requests.  I&#039;d look on some of the Jure sanguinis forums as people discuss it in more detail.

@Maria - your appt was in September, what happened and how did it go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rosemarie &#8211; sorry, I don&#8217;t know much about FOIA requests.  I&#8217;d look on some of the Jure sanguinis forums as people discuss it in more detail.</p>
<p>@Maria &#8211; your appt was in September, what happened and how did it go?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemarie Irish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemarie Irish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just beginning my search of paperwork for Italian citizenship. Can anyone tell me which FOIA agency to make a request for my grandfather&#039;s naturalization paperwork. I read the request must go to the precise office. Any other tips are appreciated. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just beginning my search of paperwork for Italian citizenship. Can anyone tell me which FOIA agency to make a request for my grandfather&#8217;s naturalization paperwork. I read the request must go to the precise office. Any other tips are appreciated. Thank you.</p>
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